What’s The Best Toothpaste?

What’s The Best Toothpaste?

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UPDATE: We have written a new article about the best toothpastes, including a document with detailed analysis of a ton of “alternative” toothpastes. That article can be found here: What’s The Best Toothpaste? – Part 2

What is the best toothpaste?

We’ve been using the product since we first started brushing but why is there the desire to find the “right one” or best one?

If you go to the store you’ll see that up to 2 aisle could be dedicated to just toothpastes, toothbrushes, and mouthwashes. How do you pick the right one… especially if you are one to look at labels. It could take you 30 minutes to find the right one. And even if you do come home with one, it may taste bad or just doesn’t leave that “clean” feeling.

The best toothpaste is…

There are none. That’s right.

While most people think that toothpaste is the key to better oral hygiene, then you’re not listening to the hygienist or dentist during your checkups.

It is all about technique. Technique people!

Toothpastes just leave you that bubbly feeling (those ingredients that make those bubbles are indeed harmful!) and mask or conceals odors with stronger flavors like mint.

What about teeth whitening toothpastes?

This again is a gimmick. Every toothpaste has some form of abrasive to help remove stains. Because of this nature, ALL TOOTHPASTES qualify as teeth whitening toothpastes.

Other ingredients such as fillers, fluorides, sweeteners, and other unnecessary (and harmful) ingredients just add to the confusion.

My advice is…. don’t be confused. If you’re used to using toothpaste and like spending money on that “necessity,” go right ahead but buy a natural toothpaste if you do.

Instead of spending your hard earned money, why don’t you buy floss and actually start using it. It’s cheaper than toothpaste and gives you 100 times more benefits.

Stay away from these ingredients, fluoride, sodium lauryl sulphate, and any sweeteners. If you can’t tell by reading the label, then don’t buy it.

Again… you don’t need toothpaste. Use your toothbrush with water and brush away the easily removal plaque (tartar or calculus is a different story. Go get your teeth cleaned professionally).

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  4. Enhanced teeth Says: September 13, 2012 at 5:16 am

    Hi, I was just wondering if there is a toothpaste you recommend for teeth that have cosmetic bonding. I have my front teeth bonded and want to keep their luster and prevent discoloration. But would really prefer to use natural and organic dental toothpaste rather than the ones with chemicals that my dentist recommended. However a lot of natural brands also contain abrasives like silica that my dentist said would damage the bonding. If there are any safe and natural brands for bonded teeth I would love to know. Thank you.

  5. HealthyTeeth Says: August 24, 2012 at 4:01 am

    Dr. Marvin,
    You are so cool.. I am so sorry you have to deal with all these ignorant people on the web.. Good job at keeping your cool and being professional while still keeping your stand.

    Now for my question..

    I’ve been hearing for a while now that toothpaste isn’t good and such, so I have cut down my usage.. FYI, the tooth paste I use is Sensodyne Pronamel (because “apparently” it’s #1 doctor recommended)…
    But I Started experiencing some sensitivity issues (wasn’t sure if it was because of the toothpaste or maybe other issues) and so I took a break from using it EVERY day.. Now I use it maybe once or twice a week.. What are your thoughts on that?
    Also, since I have stopped using Sensodyne as much I started brushing my teeth with water or sometimes even peroxide.. Or even I will mix peroxide with my mouth wash.. I think my teeth are getting stronger (I honestly don’t know though).

    But what do you also think about that? I am not sure if I should stop now because I keep hearing peroxide is bad and kills the enamel or makes your gum line recede.. But then I keep hearing it’s healthy. I am confused.

    I do like brushing my teeth with liquid though.. I think I prefer it more than paste. What are your thoughts or recommendations?
    Thank you and I trust you and your opinions :)

    • Instead of trying to cover up the sensitivity with toothpaste, I would try to determine why you’re getting sensitive teeth to begin with. The pain is your body’s way to telling you there is a problem. The toothpaste is just silencing that reaction, not solving any problem. Many people get sensitive teeth because their bite is out of balance. Some brush too hard (not typically the case, though), and others have some other unique cause… try to see a dentist who can properly diagnose that and solve the root problem and you’ll be much better off.

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  6. My advice is…. don’t be confused. If you’re used to using toothpaste and like spending money on that “necessity,” go right ahead but buy a natural toothpaste if you do.

    Instead of spending your hard earned money, why don’t you buy floss and actually start using it. It’s cheaper than toothpaste and gives you 100 times more benefits

    needs to be reworded. sound like your syaing you shouldnt brush your teeth and only floss.. im sure you didnt mean that…..so whatever…..

  7. What about glister toothpaste is that good because that is a natural toothpaste.

    • Everyone is different. You need to determine which toothpaste is best for YOU and YOUR body. Not easy to do, so try a few natural toothpastes and see how they make you feel. If you feel like they give you cotton mouth, leave a funny taste, or just don’t “seem” right, trust your body and try something else.

  8. How about only using a bit of baking soda on your wet toothpaste?
    My boyfriend and I haven’t been using big named “corporations” toothpastes for a long time.
    The one we are currently using is Auromere (SLS and fluoride-free) Cardamom-Fennel toothpaste, and I personally really like it.
    Also flossing every day does miracles.

    I’ve also heard that by diluting a bit of hydrogen peroxide in water can make a decent mouthwash, using it once in a while. I’ve never tried it since I am not sure if it could also kill some of my good bacteria in my mouth.

  9. joshua miller Says: June 26, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    i just started noticing that my enamal is wearing off, i have heard not to brush too much because it will wear off enamal, now that mine is wearing thin, how should i take care of my teeth? i know it will never come back, but what can i do to keep my teeth as clean as possible?

    • I doubt you are brushing your enamel off unless you have other problems that are softening your enamel or if you are brushing with a metal file. Your enamel is incredibly hard and you would be far more likely to damage your gums than your enamel. If your tooth enamel is coming off, it may be a result of your bite being off, putting undo stresses on your teeth and causing the enamel to weaken.

      Visit a good biological dentist in your area and get a second opinion. If it’s your bite, a bite adjustment could prevent further problems and is a pretty easy fix.

  10. Great blog seriously I especially liked the point ” If you’re used to using toothpaste and like spending money on that “necessity,” go right ahead but buy a natural toothpaste if you do.” Many toothpaste companies use all the chemical names just to impress people. As it is mentioned here in this blog it is enough to use only brush and water to clean the teeth. It is also good to floss the teeth after brushing the teeth.

  11. fluorideuser Says: December 15, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    YOU do your homework good sir. The man who proved Fluoride’s effectiveness in 1931 originally set out to prove its toxicity. Now, show me an honest, good study showing lethal and harmful effects of fluoride and I will shake your hand and happily prance over to your side. I have said it twice now, and I want my question answered. I am sitting here sipping my icy cold glass of poison and thinking, “Why am I here? Why are we here? Fluoride can kill us? But small amounts have been effective for 60 YEARS! ANY POISON THAT TAKES 60 YEARS TO TAKE EFFECT IN A LARGER GROUP THAN THAT THAT WOULD ALSO EAT PAINT IS A POISON I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT! AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU! 60 YEARS!” I do not care if a frikkin 3 year old dies from fluoride. That is a parental responsiblility. Remember that that medicine cabinet may also contain ethyl alcohol and iodine and acetone, equally yummy to a toddler and 10 times as toxic. If you do not answer every single qualm here, I will LAUGH AND LAUGH AND LAUGH AND LAUGH because you health hippies think you can prove something you do not understand.

  12. Flourideistoxic Says: December 6, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Flourideuser, enjoy your toxins! It is proven toxic on every label of toothpaste, “If more than used for brushing (Pea Sized Amount) is accidentally swallowed, get Medical help or contact poison control center right away.”
    Hmm that sounds pretty safe to me! lol You are a sucker to believe the ADA who has board of directors in bed with toothpaste, fluoride manufactures (by products of fertilizer and aluminum industry – Do your homework). We have been mislead for decades on this topic and many others! Its time for the money to stop influencing the truth! We have had enough of the lies and deception! With Cancer on the rise, environmental factors proven the cause and your sir need to wake up and stop drinking the BS cool aid corporations have been feeding us! Diet is the main cause of cavities, prehistoric man had full sets of teeth with no cavities because he/she did not eat all the sugar and starch we have in out diet today! Fluoride has proven to make many corporations and businesses lots of money and that’s all its proven!

  13. fluorideuser Says: November 30, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I have said it once and I will say it again. WHY ARE WE NOT DYING? This week, I followed the mypyramid suggestion for water. I drank 11 glasses of water every day, and I am still here arguing with you, (and rather articulately if I do say so myself) and you are sitting there carefully tiptoeing around the elephant in the room.

  14. Well Said Dr. Marvin. There’s a reason I follow your page and posts!

  15. Although I agree with you that toothpaste is not necessary, I have a hard time with the approach that dentistry takes with coming into the office for regular cleanings.

    Isn’t that still a disease centered approach?

    What if we as professionals put the control of HEALTH back into the patients hands by giving them the tools and knowledge necessary for them to control the disease process themselves? Wouldn’t that be the healthiest approach possible?

    • I agree. At The Center for Natural Dentistry we always put the control in the hands of the patient. Cleanings should be scheduled “as-needed” — not everyone is the same, so forcing everyone to come in every six months doesn’t make much sense. If you can take care of your oral health at home, professional cleanings aren’t needed as frequently. Annual exams and oral cancer screenings can help determine the frequency professional cleanings are needed, but ultimately the responsibility and control rests in the hands of each person.

  16. Fluorideuser – Our government won’t fund studies to look for what you are asking. However, the CDC reports that almost half of all adolescents are fluoride poisoned which is reflected by their discolored teeth (dental fluorosis). All agree that too much fluoride also damages bones. In fact, that’s why the EPA regulates fluoride in water as a contaminant to prevent fluoride caused bone damage (skeletal fluorosis). It would be logical to study these children with fluoride tooth damage to see if they also have fluoride caused bone damage. But that logical study has never been done. Our governments are too invested in fluoridation now to admit what they don’t know and risk getting massively sued since they have forced fluoride into our bodies for decades without doing any studies which show fluoride is safe for every body part in every human.

    They have already backtracked and now advise that infant formula should not be mixed with fluoridated water because it puts babies at unnecessary risk of developing dental fluorosis.

    The CDC tells us that ingesting fluoride does not reduce tooth decay, that it hardens enamel topically. However, studies show that while the outer enamel is harder, it doesn’t prevent tooth decay; but hides it. Dentists complain about “fluoride bombs” which means when they probe a tooth that looks solid and decay free, it explodes open to reveal the decay that’s beneath the surface.

    Fluoride from toothpaste gets ingested from involuntary swallowing and from absorption into the bloodstream

    Fluoride’s adverse health effects can be found here http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health

    Fluoride in toothpaste is regulated as a drug. Like all drugs, fluoride has side effects.

  17. fluorideuser Says: November 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    All you people are missing a critical point that I haven’t mentioned in a while. If fluoride kills like arsenic, lead, or mercury does, then why aren’t we seeing spiking death rates in adolescents and everyone period. Show me a legitimate article that shows half the population dying of in the 65 years fluoride has been in use. Probably even more than half, but everyone I know including my grandparents has used fluoridation in water and toothpaste and my grandfather is still the healthiest person I know.

  18. Befuddled Says: October 7, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Okay, so I googled “what’s the best toothpaste” and ended up finding a whole debate that just confused me ever more. Dr. Marvin, you, Skeptic, and Fluorideuser all made pretty good points, and with every comment I wasn’t sure who trusted more. Heather made a good point that you are a certified licensed doctor, but you know, anyone can put anything on the web.
    So here’s my real question: for someone who DOES want to use toothpaste, and one with fluoride(but small amounts, because I’ve heard from someone I know that a natural, non-fluoride toothpaste made her teeth really sensitive), what would you suggest? Right now I mostly use either Colgate or Crest, but now I’m totally unsure…
    If you have some reliable sources I could look at or some advice, I could really use it right now.
    Thanx

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  20. [...] risk… why take that chance?PS: We recently had a weighty discussion on this topic over at Dangers of Topical Fluoride — Discussion. Check it out in the comments section at the bottom.Related posts:Fox News Expert: Fluoride Has [...]

  21. I have bad breath and people have been telling me.. I dont have insurance to go to the dentist and I really want to cure this can you please give me some advice

    • Good question about bad breath. Most bad breath comes from the mouth and not your stomach. The scientific term is halitosis. Your best bet is to get in front of the mirror and stick your tongue out. If you see a coating on your tongue, especially in the back near your tonsils, then you probably have VSCs (volatile sulphur compounds) in the nooks and crannies of your tongue fibers. First thing you should do is get a good tongue scraper and scraper your tongue twice a day. It is easy to do. Then you need to change your diet to a more balanced one with less carbohydrates. If only people knew what poor diet can do to your oral health…

      Hope that helps.

      Oh yeah. Stay away from alcohol-containing mouthwashes like Listerine and Scope. Those only change the environment in your mouth so that different odor causing bacteria can flourish.

      Dr. Marvin

  22. Fluoride yes in large amounts it is bad for you but so is anything in large amounts a little is good for you so whats your point. PS I am a dentist so I think I know what I am talking about.

    • Is a little arsenic ok?

      Is a little lead in our paint ok?

      Is a little mercury ok?

      Is a little poison ok?

      If you think a little fluoride is ok, then go ahead and use it.

      No disrespect to you as a dentist but as a professional of teeth does not mean you are professional in toxicology and how toxins affect the whole body.

      I wasn’t taught how fluoride affects our thyroid in dental school.

      Start looking big picture and soon you will know that much of what dentistry advocates is not good for your health.

      respectfully,

      Dr. Marvin

  23. I do agree that fluoride is really bad in high amounts. But I believe it is okay to use as an ingredient in ADULT’S toothpaste. I do however believe it SHOULDN’T be added to the water supply as well. Fluoride has been shown in studies to help with tooth decay. Just make sure not to shallow the toothpaste and rise after brushing to be sure not to intake an excess amount of fluoride. Xylitol, an sugar alcohol, has been shown to help with tooth decay because the bacteria that breaks down sugars into an acid that eats enamel can’t break down xylitol. In a study testing four different types of toothpastes, the tooth with fluoride AND xylitol had the best results. Here is the link: http://www.oralscience.com/en/documentation/articles/naf/effect-of-a-xylitol-and-fluoride-containing-toothpaste-on-the-remineralization-of-human-enamel-in-vitro.pdf

    • Thanks Chris for your comment.

      I too have seen studies about fluoride helping tooth decay. But so does eating the right food.

      I think it is similar to weight loss. Some people want a quick fix and look for the “magic bullet” when all you have to do is change your diet and exercise.

      Personally, I wouldn’t use a product that contains anything as remotely toxic as fluoride. I use the precautionary principle which states that if it has a possibility to do harm, then don’t do it.

      ADA and dentists are narrow-minded and thing that fluoride in toothpaste only goes to the teeth. Did we not forget how things get absorbed through the floor of the mouth? Nitroglycerin which is to help heart attacks is taken sublingually.

      So I wouldn’t recommend fluoride as some people are more susceptible to it more than others. Just like other dental materials such as mercury, plastic composite fillings and metal crowns and titanium dental implants.

      The same argument is used for xylitol. I have plenty of patients that use it with great success. Other patients have had stomach aches and rashes due to xylitol.

      Most dentists don’t know how to check for these sensitivities so they obviously don’t do it.

      That’s why we at our office check every product we use and dispense before our patients buys it.

      Better safe than sorry.

      Thanks again Chris for the comment.

      Dr. Marvin

  24. I can’t believe what I’m reading and it is interesting but it is true that all these so called ADA and FDA and other groups like these are there to help us, but really they are just there to help themselves similar to the unions. Everything is built to fail because if there is a permanent solution or a cure to something then there’d be no money right? It’s what I believed all a long. They make toothpaste with flouride to help us, but it actually does not because we would not be supporting the dental industry would we?

  25. Heather Says: July 18, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    How Hilarious that a bunch of average joe’s are arguing with a certified and licensed dentist.

    People just want to argue just to argue, because they don’t read the whole post, or understand the original message.

    Just reading between the lines and finding something to disagree with instead of getting the whole picture which is…

    You could brush your teeth with water, and it will do exactly what toothpaste does. Get a tongue brush and a toothbrush, floss regularly and you can live your life without tooth decay.

    Simple as that…

    Funny how no one cares what they put in their mouths, someone please take a package of toothpaste and as you all are known to go ‘ google ‘ what the ingredients are and the side effects of ingestion. I don’t care what you find, because the decision to use it is up to you. Make up your OWN mind.

    Whatever goes in your mouth, regardless of quantity will go into the blood stream. Keep that in mind and focus on that. When your teeth become unhealthy and an infection occurs. It goes into your lungs from inhaling, and into your blood stream.

    The simple message here that everyone clearly missed. Because they took a certified dentists opinion out of control.

    Is that water does just as good of a job at cleaning your teeth as 4 dollar toothpaste. IE you don’t need it. “needing” it is a myth. Warm water and a good 3 minute scrub can loosen and remove all the plaque that has aquired on your teeth throughout the day JUST as good as an expensive highly marked up product.

    Duh.

  26. Fluorideuser, if you accept that the establishment knows everything and doesn’t need to reference unbiased studies then you’re in for a lot of health issues and expensive fixes over the coming years.

    Cut back on the kool-aid, it’s bad for your teeth.

  27. fluorideuser Says: June 6, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Dr. Martin, I may be dating myself here, but i am not the only one contrasting here. You claim toothpaste is unneeded and harmless yet you ” pay about $3.00 at the grocery store for fluoride free toothpaste. ” Also, you still have not responded to skeptist’s point about them 15ppb lead, 50ppb arsenic, and 4000 PPB fluoride.

    • I’m not inclined to respond when people A) Misquote me (I never said toothpaste was “harmless”, and B) Don’t understand the definition of need versus want.

      I said toothpaste was unnecessary. By definition, that means you do not NEED it to keep your teeth clean. That doesn’t mean people don’t WANT it. Reread my original post. I specifically state that if you really want toothpaste, then buy the natural kinds. People like the way it makes the mouth feel fresh. I’m no exception.

      As far as I’m concerned this is a dead issue with you. I understand you disagree. Go ahead and keep using fluoridated toothpaste. You’re in the majority with your choice, so you can take comfort in that. For those who want to avoid as many potentially toxic substances as possible, this information may be helpful. Many of my patients have systemic problems that can be triggered by any number of “small” toxins that an obviously healthy person like yourself doesn’t have to worry about. You are more fortunate than most. But please stop taking your good fortune for granted minimizing the information that others may need just for your own enjoyment.

      I’m not a “rogue” in saying that fluoride is not healthy. Do a search for “dangers of fluoride” on Google and see what comes up. You’ll find articles in the Washington Post, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal… even your trusted ADA has an article in their journal questioning the optimal levels of fluoride and states a “lack of research” as a problem (but they need to cite sources? They question their own research).

      You don’t have to agree. You also don’t have to belittle the research and opinions of others, including the thousands of people who regularly visit this website and others.

  28. fluorideuser Says: June 6, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Sir, with much respect to your dignity, I find it to be impossible that you are writing us from the grave because of your tragic death from fluoridated causes five years ago. Since I believe that you are indeed alive, let me say this one more time (as you are obviously sight impaired) THE ADA DOES NOT NEED TO SITE ITS SOURCES BECAUSE IT IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY AND DOES INDEPENDENT PRIVATE RESEARCH. Even if fluoride is bad for you, since when does the United States government organize a systemic massacre of its people? Because that is basically what you are saying is happening.

    • Nosy Brit Says: June 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm

      I only came here to find some info on a good toothpaste to buy :) But, I have to comment on your words… “United States government organize a systemic massacre of its people?”. We sent Jamie Oliver over to try and tell your schools that you are making your children sick feeding them junk. Jamie was ejected. Your government has made it very clear that it wants to hush hush the disgusting teeth rotting, diabetes creating rubbish that it feeds the kids. I’m sure this comes very close to a massacre happening right in front of your eyes. Just my opinion.

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    • HealthyTeeth Says: August 24, 2012 at 3:41 am

      LOL and since when has the “government” EVER been honest with us? You are obviously a troll and need to get a life, FluorideUser.. continue using your fluoride but please there is no need to come onto this site and CONTINUE to harrass this awesome doctor that OBVIOUSLY knows what he’s talking about. You clearly dont agree with him so just go away. You are completely unnessecary and so are your ongoing comments. Dr. Marvin is amaing and I only came here to figure out what a good method was to take care of my teeth and your comments just really made me upset and frustrated that you would diliberately start with a DOCTOR of all people.. I mean come on man.

  29. Researcher Says: May 13, 2011 at 8:22 am

    btw, flouride is only ONE of the highly toxic chemicals in most toothpastes recommended by the ADA (like Crest, #1 seller) Check out: Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS), Aspartame, and Triclosan. The other part you may not realize is that ANYTHING placed under your tongue is immediately ingested into your bloodstream.
    Might want to consider an appt with Dr. Marvin??
    I don’t know him but sounds like he knows alot more about total health than most American dentists!

  30. Researcher Says: May 13, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Do your RESEARCH, people! YOU are the only one who cares about YOUR health!
    I’ve been searching for a dentist who doesn’t simply buy the ADA partyline and found this site. Flouride LITERALLY killed me 5 years ago!
    Flourideuser and Skeptist, I seriously thought you were being sarcastic when saying the ADA doesn’t need to site it’s sources… you ARE kidding, right? It is DANGEROUS, in this day and age, to simply believe what you’re marketed: hook, line & SINKER!!
    Do your research on neurotoxins and then come back to this conversation… you’ll have a totally different point of view- I PROMISE!
    Dr. Marvin, i believe I’ve found my new dentist! =)

  31. For those still interested in information on the topic of fluoridated toothpaste, I recommend you check out this new video from Dr. Mercola. They discuss some of the more recent research on the subject, as well.

    http://naturaldentistry.us/2109/dr-mercola-on-the-dangers-of-fluoridated-toothpaste/

  32. flourideuser Says: April 15, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Oh, also, just my final stand. Remember what I said about fluoride being different? Well, here yah go. Fresh from wikipedia. Fluoride:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride
    Fluorine:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine

  33. flourideuser Says: April 15, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Skeptist, my sincerest apologies. In my frustration with Dr.Marvin, I got a little mad. I respect everyone here, and I did not mean to egg you on or make fun of you. On the contrary, I was trying to formally say that I was leaving the conversation after a rather futile attempt on my part.
    P.S. skeptist, would you like to collaborate? You can email me at obsidian314@gmail.com
    Thank you all. This debate has been very interesting

    “You can’t make footprints in the sands of time by sitting on your butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
    -Anonymous

  34. skeptist Says: April 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Dr. Marvin,
    I cannot tell if Flourideuser is egging us on in his last statement or if he is making fun of us all for arguing about toothpaste. On a more serious note, I too admit I was perhaps too belligerent in my last post. I understand that this page was posted at least partly for you to express your opinion, which I am completely supportive of. But I find it difficult to believe that it was not meant to persuade people in any way whatsoever. That’s where the rest of us 1st amendment exercisers come in.
    I agree with you completely that an organization needs to do research to make a decision. I would have to be a complete moron to think that one can come to an accurate conclusion without having done an experiment multiple times. That is precisely why I DIDN’T SAY THAT. I said that, because of the fact that the ADA is a reputable source itself, it doesn’t need to site it’s sources, as Flourideuser pointed out. That would be like a scientist who writes a paper on an experiment he preformed siting his sources. The ADA has undoubtedly done it’s own research; and as the ADA is independent itself, it should also count as that third party you asked me to find as a bonus. Unfortunately you added that second condition about no opinions, so I will use an article from the overzealous website you gave me as a “starting point”, to cancel it out.
    You have said frequently that people have died from ingesting toothpaste. This intrigued me, so naturally, I googled it. One source was from the very website that you threw at me for a “starting point” earlier. It stated, anticlimactically, “One death from ingestion of fluoride toothpaste was reported to the American Association of Poison Control Centers in 2002.”. So I guess you’re wrong, maybe you shouldn’t use that argument anymore. Or at least change your slogan to “A child died from eating a few bottles of toothpaste”.
    Fluorideuser did not necessarily say that fluoride was nontoxic. He said that it was safe in appropriate doses.

    P.S.- The bold text was neat. It really gave you that extra emphasis needed to distract a simpleton from the errors in your arguments.

    • Look, I respect your opinions. As I have already stated, topical fluoride, in large doses, has been shown to be effective at preventing tooth decay. Unfortunately, at those large doses it is very toxic, which is why toothpaste is not allowed to contain effectively large doses of fluoride.

      If you choose to use fluoridated toothpaste, good for you. I hope you never get another cavity. I choose, as do many of my readers and most of my patients, do avoid fluoride and prevent decay by using proper oral hygiene instead. If you watch what you eat, rinse with water after eating, and brush and floss regularly and properly, you can live a “cavity-free life” without ever using any toothpaste at all.

      Again, thanks for the comments (seriously). It keeps the site interesting. Plus, dissenting opinions are wonderful; if we were all sheep blindly following our shepherd, we wouldn’t live in such a wonderful world.

      Dr. Marvin

      PS: I’m a doctor, not a scientific researcher. If you want to make a difference and fight for your beliefs, I recommend you take up the debate with the IAOMT, as they are doing a great deal of fluoride research right now (although most of it in regards to ingested fluoride).

  35. flourideuser Says: April 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Dr. Marvin, I never meant to start an argument. I was just broadcasting my beliefs as I have a right to do in this country. I was not trying to convince you that fluoride was good, (as I believe you are so steadfast that you wouldn’t listen if the President told you to use fluoride) which is not a bad thing. My point was that up until fluoridation of water sources and toothpaste, it was an assumed fact that your teeth would fall out at some point, and the only thing you could do about it was to keep them clean. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that you are slightly misguided in saying that fluoride does not prevent decay. Your right, it doesn’t. It remineralizes the enamel on your teeth and makes them into an incredibly hard, rock-like substance that is more resistant to acid damage and other forms of decay. And skeptist, (who I wholeheartedly agree with) did not say that the ADA didn’t need to do research, he said that they didn’t need to cite their sources. I now admit I should not have taken up this endeavor, and skeptist seems too do a lot better at it than me. So why don’t you two brawl it out while I go do other work for the safety of the American people

  36. skeptist Says: April 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    This is a direct quote from the website I am referencing: “Cavities used to be a fact of life. But over the past few decades, tooth decay has been reduced dramatically. The key reason: fluoride. Research has shown that fluoride reduces cavities in both children and adults.”
    I cannot see ANY way the article is ambiguous on it’s position. The ADA doesn’t need to site it’s sources; it’s a reputable source because it’s the ADA. The article clearly shows the American Dental Association’s support for fluoride usage in a controlled daily application.
    I read the article you suggested and found it to be blatantly misleading. On the web site there is a chart that shows fluoride’s toxicity to be more than lead and slightly less than arsenic. Why don’t terrorists just mail letters containing fluoride to congressmen instead of arsenic, eh, it must be incredibly easy to acquire compared to the latter? Venturing further down the rabbit hole I found a link that showed the quantities they compared of each toxin juxtaposed on a graph; they used 15ppb in lead, 50ppb in arsenic, and 4000ppb in fluoride! The amount of fluoride used in toothpaste in America is normally 1000-1100! If you took me as a simpleton and thought that I would be fooled by comparing an ignorant fanatic website to the ADA, then you are wrong, Dr. Marvin.

    P.S.- I had a great laugh when I saw that you included a FOX News article as one of SEVEN headlines supporting holistic dentistry. When you combine everything wrong and evil about politics, including war mongering and instilling fear in order to gain power, and combine it with ignorance, you get FOX News.

    • Allow to make several different points here:

      1. No one is doubting that the ADA supports fluoride. I stated that before — I understand they support it. The article is their official position paper.
      2. To say that any organization — no matter how credible — doesn’t need to do research before making decisions in regards to health in absurd.
      3. There actually is research that supports large amounts of topical fluoride as a cavity prevention method. I just want people to understand their position before they argue for it. Research allows us all to make informed decisions. Unfortunately, the doses at which topical fluoride becomes effective are far above the toxic bench mark indicated by all the major health organizations
      4. The original commenter suggested that topical fluoride was not toxic. My argument, which you have both corroborated, is that it is toxic, as defined by the CDC, EPA, and FDA, among others.
      5. His other argument was that I am endangering people by saying I prefer toothpaste without fluoride. No one has ever died from NOT ingesting fluoride. People HAVE died from ingesting it. Not consuming fluoride is not dangerous. Also, my patients who do not use fluoride do not have higher instances of decay. Decay is caused by diet and poor oral hygiene (a point which the ADA agrees with). Take care of your mouth and your body and you will avoid cavities. Even with no toothpaste at all.
      6. My article is about which toothpaste I prefer. If you disagree, buy a different toothpaste.

      There is a lot of research done about the toxicity of fluoride and its merits as a method of preventing tooth decay done by very reputable and even third party organizations in multiple countries. I recommend anyone who wants to learn more and who wants to debate the merits of fluoride should read as much of it as you can. Find third party scientific research that doesn’t state an opinion on the matter an use that information to come to your own conclusions. That’s part of what makes this nation great: we can all have our own opinions. And if you disagree with mine, you can find dozens of websites out there that will support your beliefs. It’s really as simple as that.

    • pst off Says: July 12, 2012 at 6:40 am

      wuold you like to buy the white house its up for sale or the london bridge hmmmm!!

  37. skeptist Says: April 12, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    This could possibly be what flourideuser was talking about, it shows the ADA’s support for fluoride either way: http://www.ada.org/3088.aspx

  38. flourideuser Says: April 12, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Yes, it’s poisonous in HIGHER LEVELS but as prescription toothpaste requires a prescription, it is difficult to acquire without a prescription. And yes, I agree it is toxic and the reports of children dying from fluoride is when careless mothers and fathers left out the tube, the kid thought it was candy, and slurped down the whole thing. Might I remind you, EVERYTHING is poisonous by the boxcarfull. Also, I never said anything about water fluoridation. I remain unconvinced and believe you are making a very sorry case. People like you can do a lot of harm. Just think about the Autism in vaccines scam a few years ago. http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

    • In your last comment you said it was not toxic, now you say it is, but only at higher levels. I’m still waiting to see the research you mention that PROVES topical fluoride is effective at preventing decay, especially at the lower levels you are talking about.

      Also, in your last comment you mentioned that there is no need to pay extra for natural toothpastes. How much do younpay for your tube of Crest? I pay about $3.00 at the grocery store for fluoride free toothpaste. Is that above and beyond reasonable for people who doubt the effectiveness of low levels of a substance used in rat poison at preventing decay.

      I also didn’t see if you read the report from FAN-Australia that I mentioned.

      I understand you disagree with me, but saying that I’m causing harm by talking about the dangers of fluoride — a substance the IAOMT has spent years researching as a toxic substance — well, that’s just plain false. Even if fluoride were proven effective and non-toxic, how would avoiding it be “dangerous”? All itnwould mean is that people would have to take proper care of their teeth. However, the dangers of using a toxic substance to clean your teeth are very real. So in actuality, it is pro-fluoride advocates that are causing potential harm. I’m advocating eliminating potential toxins to be on the safe side… These aren’t vital nutrients required for life. That’s like saying avoiding asbestos is potentially dangerous. That’s not a sound argument.

  39. flourideuser Says: April 10, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Also, I would like to say that on other sites by this owner I got an annoying WAIT BEFORE LEAVING THIS PAGE urging me to talk with “Erin” about special deals. These are often found on scammy and spammy sites that break and crash your computer. This is not a legitimate enterprise.

  40. flourideuser Says: April 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Hello! I would like to inform you all that this is a scam. The minute quantities used in toothpaste are completely harmless, and they are extremely effective in remineralization and decreasing decay. Xylitol cleans to some extent, but there is no need to shell out for natural toothpastes. In fact, they will just lead to more dental procedures and weaker teeth. The ADA has proved how effective Flouride is, and has absolutely nothing concerning poisoning or the dangers of flouridated toothpaste. FLouride revolutionized the dental world and is a wonderful think. Note: FLOURINE is toxic, flouride is modified and only ever appears in small quantities anyway.

    • Could you please direct us all to the research that “proves” fluoride to be effective? The ADA has no research that prove fluoride effective. Further, it’s difficult to believe you when you say it isn’t toxic when the FDA, CDC, and EPA all have established toxic levels for fluoride and when there are documented cases of children dying from ingestion of fluoride in toothpaste. But, as you say, it’s not toxic, right?

      Maybe you should read this, based on government research from Australia that would refute the circumstantial evidence that says water fluoridation is effective in preventing decay: http://naturaldentistry.us/2021/fan-australia-drops-a-bombshell-on-fluoridation/

    • Oh, and by the way, the reason there is only small quantities of fluoride in your toothpaste is because the FDA says it’s toxic at higher levels and requires a prescription, which also must be stamped with a “may cause cancer” warning label. But again, nontoxic, right?

  41. i go in now as often as i can now my doc found another small cavity an wants to watch it till it gets bigger or worse i brush more than most an with 14 hr shifts its hard to avoid the energy drinks an snacking. thank you for your help i was told the same info by my doc but it is always comforting to hear it twice.

  42. hello, i brush before i go to work i brush with a mouth full of water after i eat or drink coffee an what not yet i am still getting cavities i use listerine as well as anti cavity mouth washes an along with that i also use a fluoride toothpast made by colgate that my dentist has started me on I didnt start brushing my teeth regularly until the bigging of high school after two root canals while undergowing military traing i am up for anything but honestly if i am told i need another root cana i would rather ressort to an extraction any help would be greatly appreciated…

    • I’m not sure what help you are looking for. To prevent cavities, try not the encourage a consistent acidic environment in your mouth (don’t snack too often, as snacking increases acid levels in your mouth). Floss, brush after you eat. If you grind your teeth, you could be wearing through the enamel and creating an easier path for cavities. You could also go to the dentist more frequently to catch cavities before you’re told you need a root canal (which I would avoid at all costs). Hope that’s what you are looking for. Good luck.

  43. Hello drmarvin, I was wondering why many people, including yourself, don’t recommend fluoride? I was under the impression that acidic foods break down the enamel, as you noted earlier, and that the fluoride worked as a base to neutralize the acid? Thank you very much! Interesting article

    • Hey John, that’s actually a GREAT question! From a young age we are bombarded with the benefits of fluoride and advised to consume as much as we can — both topically and ingested. The fact of the matter is, ingested fluoride has never been proven to prevent tooth decay at all (no Grade A study has ever proven it’s positive effects). Now I understand that you are talking about fluoridated toothpaste, and that’s a different matter, but to understand the problems with fluoridated toothpaste, you need to understand the problem with fluoride in general. The best thing I can recommend is to check out http://www.fluoridealert.org and read up on why we don’t want to swallow fluoride.

      Now, to understand our issue with fluoridated toothpaste, I will refer to the same website. But keep in mind, some studies have shown that TOPICAL fluoride MAY decrease tooth decay… but the health effects outweigh the potential limited benefits. I hope this helps! Thanks for the great question… ultimately, it’s our responsibilities to learn all the facts and make the decisions that are best for ourselves… so here’s one side to the fluoride story:

      From http://www.fluoridealert.org/faqs.htm#B3:

      “You say that fluoride works topically. Does this mean that you promote the use of fluoridated toothpaste?

      While the use of fluoridated toothpaste has certain benefits over water and salt fluoridation (e.g. the individual is given a choice; the fluoride does not contaminate the food supply; and the fluoride is applied to the teeth in a more targeted manner); it also presents a number of risks as well. For example:

      * Children usually swallow a lot of toothpaste when brushing their teeth, and therefore, if they are using a fluoridated toothpaste they may ingest a lot of fluoride. (For some children, fluoride toothpaste represents the largest daily source of ingested fluoride.) As noted in a recent review:

      “Virtually all authors have noted that some children could ingest more fluoride from dentrifice alone than is recommended as a total daily fluoride ingestion” (Levy 1999).

      Swallowing toothpaste at a young age is one of the major risk factors for the development of dental fluorosis – a disfiguring condition that can have damaging effects on a child’s appearance and self-esteem.

      * Even if one doesn’t actually swallow the fluoride, the fluoride may make it through the gum membrane and enter the bloodstream – thus contributing to a person’s systemic exposure to fluoride.

      * Among hypersensitive individuals, fluoride toothpaste may cause or aggravate dermatitis (skin rash, usually near the mouth) or stomatitis (mouth ulcers, “canker sores”). If you have dermatitis near the mouth, consider trying a non-fluoride toothpaste for 2-3 weeks and see if your condition improves. (If it does, please let us know.)

      * Recent research from the pharmaceutical company Sepracor indicates that fluoridated toothpaste may cause or contribute to periodontal bone loss. This finding is serious because periodontal bone loss is the #1 cause of tooth loss among US adults. According to the scientists at Sepracor who conducted the study:

      “We have found that fluoride, in the concentration range in which it is employed for the prevention of dental caries, stimulates the production of prostaglandins and thereby exacerbates the inflammatory response in gingivitis and periodontitis…. Thus, the inclusion of fluoride in toothpastes and mouthwashes for the purpose of inhibiting the development of caries [cavities] may, at the same time, accelerate the process of chronic, destructive periodontitis.”

      * The concentrations of fluoride used in toothpaste are very high (1,00o-1,500 ppm). Considering the fact that fluoride is a suspected mutagen, and that many mutagens are also carcinogens (i.e. they cause cancer), there is some concern that fluoridated toothpaste may cause or contribute to oral cancer.

      * There are safer alternatives for protecting teeth than using a highly toxic compound like fluoride. In addition to non-fluoridated toothpastes, one alternative is xylitol, a natural sugar that is now being widely used in oral health programs throughout Scandinavia. Xylitol – which can be applied to the teeth via mints, gum, and toothpaste – has been found to be very effective in preventing tooth decay, and may even help remineralize teeth as well. A healthy diet, however, will always be the most important tool in the fight against tooth decay.”

  44. Hello,

    What are your thoughts on oil pulling therapy?

  45. I was wondering would would be the best toothpaste for senstitive teeth, i always brush but my teeth hurt and the dentist says i have nothing wrong with them.

  46. wut could a gurl of 13 years old do 2 keep jhe teeth white and wut could b the bast toothe paste 4 her to use. i hope u can help thank you

    • Don’t drink coffee or tea in excess, brush after you eat, don’t smoke, chew tobacco, drink dark sodas… Basically, avoid acidic foods and beverages that can break down the enamel and stain the teeth. As for toothpaste, I recommend something without fluoride or SLS (Sodium Laurel Sulfate). Nature’s Gate makes one, Jason makes one, Tom’s of Maine… many natural food stores will carry them.

  47. i have stains on my teeth and brushing it doesn’t get it off, whats the best toothpaste

    • Toothpaste probably won’t remove them. You should see your dentist and find out what’s causing the stains (are the surface stains or are the symptoms of something bigger?) and go from there.

      If you just want to know what toothpaste I recommend, I would suggest finding something without Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) and preferably without fluoride. Use a small amount and brush regularly for at least a couple of minutes using an extra soft brush.

      Hope that helps.
      Dr. Marvin

  48. Hi! I was impressed with your article on What’s the Best Toothpaste? I Love what it says about just using a brush and water…really? I grew up in a very very financially challenged family and what we used was baking soda to brush our teeth with, is that a good practice or not? Also what about mouth odor? Is there What’s the Best Breath Freshener? Thank you. I hope to be a new patient sometime in the near future.

    • Hi Virginia,

      The best way to combat bad breath is through a 3-part system:

      Scrape
      Swish
      Spray

      The idea is to scrape the odor-causing bacteria off the back of your tongue with a high-quality tongue scraper, clean your mouth with a sugar-free, alcohol-free mouth wash (sugar and alcohol actually make your breath worse), and then use a sugar-free, alcohol-free breath spray as needed during the day.

      I have a bunch of information on my other website: http://breathdoctor.com. Hope that helps!
      Dr. Marvin

      • can you tell me, what kind of toothpaste and Mouthwash to use?
        and when i should change my toothbrush?
        thanks in advance and your website is very useful

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